Lynx
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Post by Lynx on Jan 25, 2009 17:40:46 GMT -5
There has been some debate about what happened to Janeway in "Before Dishonor". I've been involved in a debate about this on another forum and.....
........what I've seen there, it looks like Janewy will be permanently killed off in the Star Trek literature.
OK, I'm not such a hardcore Janeway fan as many others here (if I'm correct) but I like the character and I find this horrible.
I like many of the Voyager books and I had some hope and expectations for the ongoing relaunch but this ruins everything. I can't understand how such an annihilation of the main character of the series can be accepted by Pocket Books.
If this is the truth, then I'm finished with the "official" Star Trek and will stick to older books and fanfiction.
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 25, 2009 22:40:55 GMT -5
Wow!!! Are you serious?  They want to seriously keep Janeway dead!!! FOREVER!!! That's cool. I'll just never buy another Pocket Book item again....Star Trek or otherwise. That's f**king ridiculous!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 25, 2009 22:47:11 GMT -5
I would boycott!!!
FOREVER!
But she is in the new book coming out in.... March. It's called Star Trek Voyager: Full Circle
Here is the description.
When the U.S.S. Voyager is dispatched on an urgent mission to the planet Kerovi, Captain Chakotay and his first officer, Commander Thomas Paris, must choose between following orders and saving the lives of two of those dearest to them. B'Elanna Torres and her daughter, Miral, are both missing in the wake of a brutal attack on the Klingon world of Boreth. With the aid of their former captain, Admiral Kathryn Janeway -- as well as many old friends and new allies -- Voyager's crew must unravel an ancient mystery, placing themselves between two warrior sects battling for the soul of the Klingon people ...while the life of Mirl hangs in the balance. But these events and their repurcussions are merely the prelude to even darker days to come. As Voyager is drawn into a desperate struggle to prevent the annihilation of the Federation, lives are shattered, and the bonds that were forged in the Delta Quadrant are challenged in ways that none could have imagined. For though destiny has dealt them crushing blows, Voyager's crew must rise to face their future ...and begin a perilous journey in which the wheel of fate comes full circle.
So....she is in it. They are not leaving her out, even with the Admiral status.
AND.... Captain Janeway is in all the Alternate Universe books... (Star Trek: Myriad Universes), not to mention the Anniversary Book (Distant Shores: A Tenth-Anniversary Celebration )... and sooo many others.... who ever believes that they would get rid of Janeway is high. You don't get rid of the Captains. You'd have to get rid of Voyager, to NOT associate it with Janeway...whther Chakotay has the ship now or what. Janeway is NOT going away.
I'm not worried.
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 25, 2009 23:03:25 GMT -5
Those books are part of the whole Voyager Relaunch series, by an author whose name won't be mentioned (since I don't really like her, AT ALL).
The book Lynx was talking about is a TNG book. So, as such, if Janeway is alive in the next Voyager book, the TNG book is effectively creating an alternate timeline. Since Janeway can't be both alive and dead at the same time, one must be real time, and the other an alternate timeline.
I suppose which one you buy depends on which series you prefer.
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 25, 2009 23:23:27 GMT -5
Hummm.... okay weird...and that would have been good info to know at the start, thanks for the specifics Lynx.  I assumed that they all followed the same cannon, but what the heck do I know.  (and JF you just don't like the books cause she is a J/C'er.  ) |
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 26, 2009 0:23:27 GMT -5
Before getting mad at Lynx....give him some credit. He might not have known about the new Voyager book. And it's always possible that the stardate for this book is previous to 2380 (the year Janeway dies in the other book).
However, NO Star Trek book is cannon. It isn't cannon unless it appears in an episode or movie.
And as for Ms. Golden, her ridiculous J/Cness is only ONE of the reasons I don't like her. However, I can't tolerate the fact that they let a woman who has less of a grasp on Janeway's character than my seven year old son be the sole writer for the continuation of the Voyager storyline.
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 26, 2009 0:31:39 GMT -5
Not mad at Lynx... Just saying... I had no idea about the other series books. Just would have been good to know.
And calm yourself... I was just giving you crap for Christine. LOL I guess it wasn't as funny as I thought.
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 26, 2009 0:48:51 GMT -5
Oh, I'm calm. And your comment was funny. But if I don't react over J/Cness and my dislike of C.G. then I wouldn't really be me, now would I? HA HA
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Lynx
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Post by Lynx on Jan 26, 2009 2:59:23 GMT -5
No please, don't be mad at me! Or more precisely, don't kill the messenger. I'm as p***ed off over this as you all are.
The only reason for me to ruin your day (or night or whatsoever) is that I've been banging my head agaisnt the wall for some days, trying to debate this issue on another forum with people who state that "oh, the fanatic Janeway fans are a small minority, they will accept it if her death serves some purpose, they will continue to buy the books" or statements like "I've seen the issue of Janeway's death being brought up on some forums and there's no arguing about it" (which can be true since few fans knows that she will be permanently killed off).
So I decided to write this post to see what the real fans of the character thinks of the latest stupidity by Pocket Books.
Once again, I hate to be the messenger of bad news and I hope that you will forgive me for that.
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 26, 2009 11:35:32 GMT -5
True fans of Voyager, and Janeway will be outraged!!! And if it turns out to be true, some lame excuse about "her death serving a purpose" can kiss my ass. Maybe I'll write a book and kill off Picard. See how all those people feel about the "death with a purpose" crap they want to feed you then.
They kill off Janeway and I don't buy another Pocket Book. Ever. For any reason. And THAT is what a "fanatic" Janeway fan has to say about that!!!
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 26, 2009 13:05:26 GMT -5
I concur with everything JF says.
If I haden't just woke up, I'd be just as livid.
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Lynx
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Post by Lynx on Jan 26, 2009 16:51:54 GMT -5
Before getting mad at Lynx....give him some credit. He might not have known about the new Voyager book. And it's always possible that the stardate for this book is previous to 2380 (the year Janeway dies in the other book). However, NO Star Trek book is cannon. It isn't cannon unless it appears in an episode or movie. And as for Ms. Golden, her ridiculous J/Cness is only ONE of the reasons I don't like her. However, I can't tolerate the fact that they let a woman who has less of a grasp on Janeway's character than my seven year old son be the sole writer for the continuation of the Voyager storyline. Just for your information, I don't think that Christie Golden is involved with this. At least it his not her decision to have Janeway permanently killed off. Obviously there are other authors involved with the Voyager Relaunch and I'm not sure if Golden is involved anymore. OK, Golden may have made some errors during her years in charge of the relaunch but I do get the impression that she actually cared for the characters (and the fans as well). Unfortunately I can't say the same abot those who are in charge now. |
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 26, 2009 19:15:37 GMT -5
Such a shame... I might cry! Actually I will cry, and mourn! Awwwww....*sniff* *sniff* I don't think Golden was in on it either... I actually like her books, but that's just me. So are they killing Janeway in the Voyager series too? Or just TNG? Cause they were building toward something in the relaunch books.... (I won't say what because it's blasphemy here...he he) but the would be sooooooo SAD! I liked where it was going! I';m gonna go look it up and pout now! Oh and PS Lynx: I'm severely preggo, so don't take my bitchy hormones personally. JF and Mel get it all the time. |
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Post by KateJaneway on Jan 26, 2009 19:47:57 GMT -5
AWWWWWWWWWWW!  I was SOOOOO looking forward to Full Circle! Now I'm gonna need a box of tissues when I read it! I got this from an interview with the author of Full Circle.... and I'm sorry to say...they really did kill her! Janeway is dead! In the relaunched books as well as all the others. In Before Dishonor something happened we could call a sacrilege: a protagonist had to die, at least in the physical way. That is something we've never seen before in a Star Trek novel. How does the loss of Kathryn Janeway effect the continuation of the Voyager story? Isn't it a burden if such a protagonist is suddenly missing?
The loss of Kathryn Janeway was definitely shocking. As you said, we've never seen the permanent death of a major figure like her and I know that a lot of Voyager fans took it pretty personally either because she was their favorite character, or the first female captain of her own series, or because they just don't ever want to contemplate the death of a beloved character.
However, one of the good things about the ongoing fiction, for the readers and writers, is that because the shows and films are no longer in production with these characters, we are no longer bound to adhere to the status quo when we conceive of a story. It used to be that when we were done playing we had to make sure all of the toys were back on the shelf where we found them. That limits the kinds of stories you can tell. Those restrictions no longer exist.
Don't get me wrong. No one is considering the wholesale destruction of the universe that has been so painstakingly developed for over forty years now. No one is going for mere shock value and the decision to kill any character, be they large or small, is never undertaken lightly. These people exist in our imagination and it is painful to let them go.
But the time has finally come when it is no longer safe to assume that when you start a Trek novel, everything is still going to be in the same place when you've finished it. We can go deeper with characters and their evolution than ever before. We can challenge them in new ways. And we can explore stories that would be impossible given the budgetary realities of filmed Trek.
The decision to kill Kathryn Janeway was not made simply to force readers out of their complacency. It was made because it presented us with uncharted ground that we were interested in exploring. Yes, it's hard. But there's no point in doing this if it's easy. And yes, the death of Kathryn Janeway is treated in great depth in Full Circle and has major repercussions for all of the Voyager characters.
Personally I don't see it as a burden to continue the series without her, so much as a challenge. It remains to be seen if readers will be able to embrace the changes that are coming. For me, Janeway was always the center of Voyager, and definitely one of my favorite characters to write. Now, we have to find a way to shift that center and still remain true to what has always been best about Voyager.OMG! I don't know how to take this right now..... It's kinda like Data....In a way he is not 'really' gone, cause they can upload him into B4. So if Lady Q saved Janeway's 'brain' (rolls eyes) I guess they left a door open there as well. Basically... it sucks all around! |
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Post by Janeway Forever on Jan 27, 2009 0:09:25 GMT -5
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